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Basically, the Body of Christ should consist of many different members with many different gifts and we should all submit to one another according to the gifts the others have been given. That is the way the church initially was meant to be when the first Christians had no Bible as we know it today. We read in 1 Corinthians chapter 12,
“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. (1 Cor 12:4-11 ESV [Colored emphasis in italics mine]
Here we can also see WHY God gives us gifts, “To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.” (1 Cor 12:7 ESV) The gift is not for the one who receives it, but for those who are in need of it. And the Body of Christ has many different members. None of them is more important than another. All are equally necessary as Paul describes in 1 Cor 12:12-31. As for differentiating natural talents from spiritual gifts, I would like to point out to you the following definition.
A talent […] is something that you are born with. It’s a personal trait or characteristic. It is not an activity that you are good at (that’s a strength).
The book defines a talent as “any recurring patterns of thought, behaviour or feeling”.
So anything that you do daily, often without being aware of it is a natural talent.
Let me give you an example
If you are a person that thinks a lot and always analyses what you experience, then this is an ever existing pattern that defines who you are. You may wonder how this can be a talent – well simply because you can apply it productively: For example by getting involved on the front end of projects and initiatives.
Maybe you are drawn to strangers and love meeting new people, creating strong connections with them and expanding your network. This is also a behaviour that you do continuously and mainly unconsciously. This is also a talent that can be applied productively – for example in a sales position.
(Source http://www.theleaderoftomorrow.com/finding-your-strengths-and-natual-talents/)
I believe and have seen that God sometimes uses our natural talents and abilities when He connects them to His Spirit so that the initial natural talent we could use how we wanted beforehand can be used in a supernatural way according to God’s eternal plan. However, it is not necessary that someone has a special natural talent so that God can use him. Instead, we might remember that God does not need what the world thinks to be important and impressive,
“For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” […] For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” (1 Cor 1:19, 25-31 ESV)
Spiritual gifts are always given by God in order to build up the Body of Christ. From hence, we might understand that a Christian who separates himself from other Christians with whom God has put him or her together won’t have that much spiritual power to overcome the attacks of the evil one on his own and will run danger to fall away from faith. Scripture confirms it here,
“Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” (Heb 10:23-27 ESV)
[Attention: If God has not yet put you together with others in the way I describe below, you may forget the verses from Hebrews, esp. 26 and 27, for now – completely!!!]
Fellowshipping in the sense of meeting together ought to have, first of all, a spiritual component. In fact, it is possible that you meet other believers and you try desperately to fellowship with them, but suddenly you realize that something must be wrong. You were looking for a closer and deeper connection through fellowshipping with them; however, it did not work. Whether you made your experience in a church building, in a house church meeting, or elsewhere is not important. Yet it is essential to know that true spiritual fellowship is never a man-made relationship. Indeed, it is a gift from heaven. The psalmist says, “Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain.” (Ps 127:1 ESV) And since we live in New Covenantal times, we may know that the house of the Lord, i.e. the Church, cannot be seen with our physical eyes in the first place.
“As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1 Pt 2:4-5 ESV)
Can we see the living stone without our hearts having been enlightened by God’s Spirit before? Can we…? Most probably not. Also, we read that we, like Christ, are to be living stones that together constitute a spiritual house. From my own experience I can tell that as soon as I meet someone with whom God wants me to fellowship, my internal eyes see him/her as I see God and Christ and I feel the same supernatural love God initially gave me to love HIM back. Then I know that such a relationship will turn out to be eternal because God ordained it to be so. The apostle Paul said,
“God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Cor 1:9 ESV)
Apart from being one with God through Christ’s Spirit before, we cannot have such a spiritual fellowship with one another, however much we might yearn for it. If you still feel lonesome as for true fellowship, please, wait on the Lord. He will provide in His perfect time and then your loneliness will be over. Promise!
“…that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.” (1 Jn 1:3 ESV)
❤ Much love ❤
….. Susanne …..
Yes, so often we end up hearing the orchestra as it tunes up in the beginning… what a noise we can make until He is through fine tuning us, but it is needed before the symphony can start and truly be symphonic as HE intended! Hang in there! It is worth it ALL! Love hurts, but it also heals.
Susanne, EXCELLENT ARTICLE!!!!! Written from the heart of one who has been there AND IS THERE!!!! It is soooo filled with His truth and wisdom that has come through much suffering and shines forth in His great love.
Michael
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Michael, you made me grin again by stating,
“What a noise we can make until He is through fine tuning us, but it is needed before the symphony can start and truly be symphonic as HE intended!”
🙂
Indeed, it squeaks and creaks, it rattles and clatters, but FINALLY – it is a symphony! ❤ A symphony that tells us of an unconditonal and perfect love that does exist, even on this earth. This love is heavenly and unseen at first, and only those who experience it will know about it, until God reveals it to others whom He wants to get to know His great love, too.
Oh, and what wonderful compliments you wrote on here, my dear brother!
Mmmmmmmhhhhh……you make your sister melt away like ice in the sunshine…or was it Sonshine…? 😉 Thanks a lot for those beautiful words you bestowed on me, Michael. Did me a world of good today!!
Love,
Susanne
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Thank you, Susanne, for the wisdom that you have written about the gifts of the Spirit and fellowship. It is such a freeing piece. Much food in the writing. Excellent food.
Love in Him,
Pat Orr
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You’re sooo welcome, Pat. 🙂
I am happy you liked the blog post and even feel freed by my article. That was indeed my intention while writing it. Thanks a bunch for edifying me, my dear sister.
Love ❤
Susanne
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NOW who is melting who??? So glad to be a blessing and edify you as my mutual member in His body. Like Paul said,
“For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Therefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also you do.” (1 Thessalonians 5:9-11 KJ2000)
Love you too!
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Amen. Great Scripture! Fits like a glove, bro. 😉
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Reblogged this on A Wilderness Voice and commented:
Here is an excellent teaching by Susanne Schuberth on what spiritual gifts are and what they are to be used for in the body of Christ and what true fellowship really is. I hope you all read it.
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Thanks so much for the reblog, Michael! That is encouragement at its best which I truly need at the moment.
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I love to be used by our Father to edify the saints any way I can, Susanne. He has so softened my heart over this past year plus you have known me. I thank Him for the part you have played in this as well. God bless you so much!
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May God bless you too, immensely, Michael. I will always be grateful to Him and to you for the part you have had as to my spiritual growing up into Him for the last…..calculating….. 😉 almost 16 months.
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Susanne, and I am so grateful to Him for your part in changing my heart and rooting out those deep old wounds that were there when we met back then. God bless you richly, my dear sister and friend!!!
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Thank you once again, Michael. The healing – yours and mine during that period – has all been His work. I see myself simply as a helpless screwdriver that cannot be useful on its own unless the Divine Craftsman decides to use it as He wishes. If He does not need me, I have nothing to do but wait on Him…and wait…and wait… 😉
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40″years and waiting. Sometimes I get impatient. Smile
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That was funny, Devon. 🙂
40 years…..oh boy, that’s a lot!! 😛 No wonder that you get impatient at times. I fully sympathize with you, my brother.
Thanks for your comment. Much appreciated!
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Nicely put sister. Thanks for sharing this and thank to Mike for the reblog, I wouldn’t have seen it. God blessing always
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You’re welcome, John. Thanks for your appreciative words on here.
May God bless you too – always.
Susanne
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Very beautiful post Sue and I certainly will print it for further contemplation.
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Oh, that was sweet, Kenneth! ❤
I am happy to hear you even want to print my article. Wowee!! Thanks a bunch, my brother. 🙂
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Susanne, here are some quotes from Watchman Nee about the indwelling Spirit and empowerment of God in the believer.
“I must first have the sense of God’s possession of me before I can have the sense of His presence with me.”
― Watchman Nee, The Normal Christian Life
“It is a great thing when I discover I am no longer my own but His. If the ten shillings in my pocket belong to me, then I have full authority over them. But if they belong to another who has committed them to me in trust, then I cannot buy what I please with them, and I dare not lose them. Real Christian life begins with knowing this.”
― Watchman Nee, The Normal Christian Life
“There is nothing stereotyped about God’s dealings with His children. Therefore, we must not by our prejudices and preconceptions make watertight compartments for the working out His Spirit, either in our own lives or in the lives of others. We must leave God free to work as He wills and to leave what evidence He pleases of the work He does.”
― Watchman Nee, The Normal Christian Life
Thanks for your great article,
Michael
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You’re so welcome, Michael. 🙂
Great quotes from Watchman Nee, indeed. I particularly love the first and the third one because I experience the truth of what is said there in my life currently. Thanks for sharing them on here, my brother!
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Yes, Susanne, these are very important things for us to understand and walk in.
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Amen, Michael.
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Susanne, you wrote, “I believe and have seen that God sometimes uses our natural talents and abilities when He connects them to His Spirit so that the initial natural talent we could use how we wanted beforehand can be used in a supernatural way according to God’s eternal plan.”
So how does God take that which is natural and make it spiritual and usable to Him? Two words, “The Cross.”
“Abraham saw God as Father. He proved Him to be the source of all things. Isaac received the inheritance as a son. It is a blessed thing to have a gift bestowed upon us by God. Yet even what we receive we may seize upon and spoil. Jacob attempted to do this, and was only saved from the consequences by having his natural strength undone. There must be a day in our experience when this happens. The characteristic of those who truly know God is that they have no faith in their own competence, no reliance upon themselves. When Jacob learned this lesson, then in truth there began to be an Israel of God…”
― Watchman Nee, “The Finest of the Wheat”, volume 1
In Jesus’ words, “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh profits nothing.”
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Yes, very well said, Michael. It is “the Cross” that we need so that our natural talent might serve God, not our old and egotistic self.
“…no faith in their own competence, no reliance upon themselves……”
So very amen I say again.
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“It is so easy to become more attached to the gifts of God than to the Giver—and even, I should add, to the work of God than to God Himself.”
― Watchman Nee, The Normal Christian Life
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Or in other words,
“Knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up.” (1 Cor 8:1 ESV)
I think that refers not only to knowledge, but to everything that has to do with spirituality and is not grounded in His love.
“If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.” (1 Cor 8:2-3 ESV)
“Knowing” God is what counts and what makes our life on earth worthwhile as long as we must live here in exile.
I assume today is your Watchman-Nee-Quote-Day, Michael? 😉
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He understood the difference between soul and spirit like no other author in the last century, I found a great site with quotes from him.
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/12878.Watchman_Nee?page=1
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Thanks for the link, Michael. 🙂
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“As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1 Pt 2:4-5 ESV) In this verse abice, thank God that Peter was saying “AS YOU COME TO HIM” and not as we go to church, because I believed they are two separate things. The later is centered on CHRIST and that is what will produced the much needed edification in His Body, but the later is a man-made way of realizing what you have written above…The problem is that most often, we end up not “being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” because instead of Coming to him we only come to ourselves thereby making our fellowships man-centered instead of Christ-centered which always makes the fellowship ingrowth, but I believe that when we allow God to rearrange our perspective, your article will be reality in our lives… thank you for sharing your thoughts Sussane…agape
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Thank you Mike and Sussane, your matured insights is an encouragement to we the younger ones. I have experienced first-hand of what I am saying above hear and I come to the conclusion that ONLY the Father can reveal the Son in me and vice-versa. And since then I resist the temptation of trying to create what I call “mechanical fellowship”.Yes, we need the gifts in other to come to the full measure and the statue of the son of God, but not in a mechanical way, we rather have to learn to discern His Body. I remember one of the favourite quotes of our brother Watchman New is “… you don’t organise for fellowship, rather, fellowship is spontaneous”. May God give us true discernment in other to be truely build up into CHRIST. Amen.
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Hosea and Susanne, see my latest blog for more of my thoughts on the dangers of us building Christ’s church and willy-nilly assembling ourselves with other Christians as we see fit.
https://awildernessvoice.wordpress.com/2015/03/11/can-these-bones-live/
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Great blog, again, Michael. Hats off!! Thanks so much for posting the link on here! 🙂
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Susanne,
Thanks for your encouragement and letting me post the link on here. ❤
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You’re so welcome, Michael. ❤
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