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The following post is meant to provoke some thoughts in my readers. I could have added my own experiences as I usually do in order to illustrate the message below. However, I decided to copy and paste this exhortation by T. Austin Sparks without joining in.
“[God] desires His people to come to His fulness, and all His highest designs are inseparably connected with that revealed will, that object. All His highest designs are bound up with our going on to God’s end, the fulness of Christ, and their full meaning can never be realized by us except as we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end. The point is that it is made clear that God’s will is that we should go on to the fulness.
Three Courses are Possible
Three courses are possible as seen in the case of Israel.
(a) To Die in the Wilderness
“It is possible, although out of Egypt, to die in the wilderness. What does that mean? On the one hand, it is to fail to come into the realm of that fulness of God in Christ which was intended for us. On the other hand, how can we fail? Israel’s history tells us quite clearly that we may do so through carnal mindedness, a merely carnal Christianity. It is against that that the Apostle Paul warns so strongly. How often he says, “are ye not carnal!” Saved, out of Egypt, but carnal, the flesh more dominant than the spirit. In that case you die in the wilderness; that is, you fail to reach God’s end and to attain unto the realization of God’s revealed will.
(b) To Compromise for Present Satisfaction
“The second possibility is that which is represented by the two and a half tribes, who said, “Bring us not over this Jordan.” They sought their inheritance on the other side of Jordan. You know the nature of that choice. They saw a goodly land, a fruitful patch, something that could be had without all the difficulty and cost of the conflict. They set their hearts upon it. They made a compromise. In a word, they refused to pay the price of utterness.
“They speak to us of that kind of life and service which has its fulness in present, seen things, in quick results, quick returns; which is occupied with much activity which is itself the satisfaction, or becomes the satisfaction. So many people think that if they can but keep busy in the Name of the Lord they are getting on splendidly. They find their satisfaction in the fact that they are doing a lot, and not in the ultimate spiritual values. A great many such people eventually wake up to discover that they have been very busy but not very effective. In all their busy-ness and activity, in which they have found so much pleasure, so much personal gratification, there is not a great deal, after all, of that which abides eternally to the satisfaction of God. It is a very dangerous realm to get into. The two and a half tribes made a compromise, in which they sought for the quick return, the immediate satisfaction.
(c) To go on to the Fulness
“The third possibility is that of going on unto all the spiritual and heavenly fulness of Christ, which is, nevertheless, a life of sheer faith and intense conflict.
“Those three possibilities confront us. We can die in the wilderness; we can compromise for present satisfaction; or we can go on in faith, in the conflict. The latter has ever in it that factor which seems to say that however great the progress there is far more ground yet to be gained. Every bit of gain is as nothing because of the realization that there is so much farther to go. Because of the intensity of the antagonism of the enemy, the severity of the conflict, we are always more conscious of the arduousness of the road than of the attainment of the fulness. Ah, but it is going on all the same. These are the alternatives we have to face.” (1)
Just for clarification as to the possibility to die in the our own spiritual wilderness. That does not mean that someone will not get saved since EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved (cf. Joel 2:32 and Rom 10:13). Nonetheless, there will be regret, spiritual pain, and suffering when we are confronted with how our eternal fate could have looked like as we will have eventually realized that we were not grounded on Christ as our only foundation. Apostle Paul said it that way,
For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Cor 3:11-15 ESV)
(1) http://www.austin-sparks.net/english/books/003396.html
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Michael said:
While reading this quote from Sparks it occurred to me that those who have built upon the wrong foundations; seminary and Bible school learning, false church teachers and preachers, and cult leaders are the ones that refuse to go on as they cling to what they consider as righteous. He is right, if Christ is our only Foundation the testing and trials will continue throughout our lives because God’s righteousness is infinite and He is constantly bidding us to grow into the ever expanding depths of His Son, Jesus Christ. With men and their institutions, we can become “ascended masters” with degrees that tell us we have arrived. Those who think they have, fall way short of His glory as do those who are content because they belong to the “right” church organization and that alone gets them into right standing with God. Paul thought that he had arrived until he met the LIVING Christ on his way to persecute the TRUE family of God. From then on all that he had attained to in his life was counted as so much dung. To repent means to turn about and go a new way. Most who call themselves “Christians” in this world need to repent and ask the right question as repentant Paul did, “Who ARE you, Lord?” Once we are on this path we will find that He answers this question with ever expanding Light for the rest of our lives.
“That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;” (Phil 3:10, KJ2000)
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Amen, Michael. Very well put! ⭐
As sad as it is, you can hardly talk with someone openly about who the Lord really is if they are content with their church’s teachings and gatherings. Submission to other spirits in human beings/teachers/preachers/bloggers/commenters that are habitually confused with the Holy Spirit is what you can see all over Christendom, even online, nowadays. Very sad! 😦
Knowing the fellowship of His sufferings brings us ever closer to His heart also. I believe we will love Him all the more, the more we see that our suffering has come from Christ being inside us. It is His light that is hated by the world and by worldly (i.e., carnal) Christians as well. I do agree with this ever expanding light, Michael, since it has been my very experience, just lately in particular. It is a lonely walk to follow and obey Him, isn’t it? No approval of man any more. Period. But His love and approval will be ours if we follow His leading in an ever-growing measure. Amen.
7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.
8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. (Rom 8:7-17 ESV)
Isn’t it interesting that we are only called God’s sons if we follow His leading? 🙄
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Michael said:
Yes, Susanne, the more we fellowship in HIS sufferings, the more clearly we see what is on His heart. All the cross- currents on the web among Christians is primarily do to a lack of the cross working in their hearts. What the Lord showed me from the story in John ch. 20 about the difference between John, Peter and Mary Magdalene tells it all. Upon finding the tomb empty, they went home. She would not give up until she found her Lord. He rewarded that loving devotion with a very special touch from Him. “Mary!”
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Yes, Michael. It seems to me the two went home since they had lost all hope. Mary, instead, seemed to have had hope and faith of some kind already. She kept searching where our natural mind does not expect to find anything of value anymore. Maybe, she was already Spirit-led without knowing it. 🤔
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Michael said:
Yes, Susanne, could be. “The fruit of the Spirit is love…” Jesus gave us a sign that we are His, “By THIS will all men know that you are My disciples, that you love one another.” Her love for Him was without question and He responded in such a beautiful way. I have been a member of and visited many different kinds of churches and never was a love like this. Remarking about Mary’s love on another occasion Jesus said, “What she as done for me this day will be mentioned wherever the gospel is preached.” It seems that what she did and her love for Him is what is missing in today’s sterile gospel preaching.
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Michael said:
TAS wrote,
“The second possibility is that which is represented by the two and a half tribes, who said, “Bring us not over this Jordan.” They sought their inheritance on the other side of Jordan…
The third possibility is that of going on unto all the spiritual and heavenly fulness of Christ, which is, nevertheless, a life of sheer faith and intense conflict.”
Susanne, this morning I saw these two choices in action. First I had breakfast with my friend, George Davis, and we talked about Mary M. and the love she had for Jesus. I could feel the spirit to spirit connection by the witness of the Spirit in our conversation. Later I shared this same story from John ch. 20 with another man I know who goes to church on a regular basis. He gives credence to being a church Christian and I respect that, but after sharing this passage with him there was no reciprocation in the Spirit and the conversation was soon led off onto something that was of this world where he felt more comfortable. For now the Lord has called me to be his friend and meet him where he is at, regardless. With God all things are possible. 🙂
I remember being just like him many years ago until God filled me with His Spirit. Then I could not get enough of Jesus and all that the Bible had to say about Him. My love for Him exploded once the Spirit was in me. I guess this is why I relate to this story about Mary and her love for Him in contrast to John and Peter’s reaction before they were given the Spirit and they saw the tomb was empty and just went home. Of course, after they were filled with the Spirit, they, too, “were way out there” with their testimony about our risen Lord and were ready to lay down their lives for Him even after being threatened to keep silent by the Sanhedrin. What a change!
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Michael,
How beautiful of the Lord to illustrate what TAS wrote here the way He did! 🙂 Interesting enough, I had just followed a link to one of my older blog posts (see here if you like) and would read another excerpt by TAS where he spoke about the quickening or not quickening of our spirits, which means life or death to us. T. Austin Sparks wrote,
“The Lord Jesus knew that at a certain time He could not act, could not speak; He had no movement of the Spirit in quickening, no life so to do at that time; in His spirit there was no movement of life; the law was not active in the positive way. But when the Father, Who knew what was required in speech or action, saw that the time had come, He did not bend down and speak with an audible voice into His ear, and say, Now is the time! Say this! Do that! He simply quickened Him inwardly. The law of life became active in that direction, and He knew by an inward quickening what the mind of God was. That is what Paul means when he says, “The mind of the Spirit is life.”
If you want to know the mind of the Spirit about anything, you will know it by quickening, by life in that direction. If you want to know what the Spirit is against, you will know it because there is death in that direction in your spirit, you have no life, you say, in that direction. All right, that means you know the Lord, you know the Spirit, you know what it is to move on the basis of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ. The Father governed Him by that law. He governs us by exactly the same law when we are joined to the Lord, one spirit. Guidance, direction, is a matter of life in the Spirit, life by the Spirit. The Lord Jesus had His life ordered, governed, conducted, arranged in every detail by the quickening Spirit; the Spirit of life in Christ.
This it is, again, that provides the contrast. These Jews came along and said: Here is the Scripture, and the Scripture says, You ought not to do certain things, and You are doing them; You are all wrong because the Scripture says this! When Christ so acted was He violating the Scripture? Or was He giving God’s meaning to the Scripture? When God gave that law, did He not have a fuller meaning than what men see just on the surface? Was there not a spiritual interpretation? Was it not pointing on to something, which when it came was to supersede – I do not mean break but transcend – simply because higher, fuller, deeper meaning was reached? Christ is God’s Sabbath. It is in Christ that God comes to rest in all His works; His new creation. But they said, You must abide by the letter! We put it in that way to show the difference between taking the letter and having the Holy Spirit’s illumination of the letter. Life and the letter are often contrasted in the Word. The letter killeth, the Spirit maketh alive.”
http://www.austin-sparks.net/english/books/002221.html
If your experience and my read were not guided by the same Spirit, I would be surprised, Michael! 🙂
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Michael said:
Yes, Susanne, this quote from TAS nails it!
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Thank you, Michael! 😇
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Stacey Marie Amolsch said:
Amen and thank you. I can only hope and pray that I am on the right course. Going on with faith. Always being conflicted. My path has never been an easy one. But I just keep hanging on and going on towards the end goal and hope in my physical life to attain that spiritual goal of my heavenly dream. Amen. And for sure many people are going through rough times. God bless you Susanne. And you to Michael as I read your post as well about Mary, Mary. I have heard my name as well.
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
May God keep blessing you, too, dear Stacey! ⭐
I have no doubts that your path has never been an easy one, my sister. This Mary-part you are referring to has been deleted since it could have been misinterpreted. Also, there was a misunderstanding included. Nonetheless, I was glad to hear that you heard God calling you as well.
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Michael said:
Thank you, Stacey.
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Kenneth Dawson said:
THANKS FOR THE WARNING SUE,I SURE AS HECK DO NOT WANT TO GET WASTED IN THE WILD AND COMPROMIZE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A GOOD MOVE BUT ONWARD UNTO CHRISTS FULLNESS SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
You are welcome, Ken. This warning was directed to all of us, me included, of course. Sometimes it seems much easier to settle for the lesser things instead of obeying Christ which often means loneliness and not being understood by others in this earthly life. The cross, you know…
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Kenneth Dawson said:
Amen!
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