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agape, church, discerning the spirits, experience, family, fellowship, Fellowship with God, God's love, heart, Jesus Christ, mind, Oneness, T.A. Sparks, The Holy Spirit, the mind of Christ
Strange… during the last two or three weeks I thought about writing another blog, but I was either too busy with visiting our family members who live scattered in Bavaria or I felt no inclination to start writing on the computer because of summer time. Many plants (about 130) on our two balconies and inside our flat need to be cared for, too. Honestly, I like gardening more than being on the internet and swimming in the outdoor public pool (s. picture above) was more attractive to me as well. It is only in water when several body pains disappear and therefore I swam more than I walked lately. 😉 In Germany we experienced a first heat wave in April, which was VERY unusual, and it seemed hot summer did not want to take a break in May, either. Eventually, today it began to rain a bit which has been much needed by nature and so I sat down in front of the computer, wondering what I was doing here. 🙄 Again, no inclination to write. As I checked the latest file on my thumb drive which is called “New Post”, I saw that I had written this very thing beneath on May 25th already. Forgetful Susanne! 😊 So, now here you are… the rest of it at least… which means I deleted some details that did not speak to me today any more.
Have you ever tried to work together with someone who again and again disagreed with your suggestions or decisions? If you have, you might know that it is not possible to cooperate on this ground for a long time. How much easier it is to succeed in collective efforts if ALL who have a horse in the race aid one another IN THE SAME SPIRIT. That does not necessarily mean that we will agree with everyone on everything from day one. But it means that those concerned, here Christians, have the same heart and mind that submits to Christ in any given case of doubt and disagreement. Most Christians who are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit still listen to their flesh’s likes and dislikes due to a lack of spiritual discernment. However, if we are spiritual people who long to be led from the inside through Christ’s Spirit, we already share His mind to some degree.
Indeed, dear brothers and sisters, we cannot fellowship with those who are of a completely other spirit. Whether it is a worldly or a religiously bound spirit, we can only accept these people and love them as far as that goes, but we won’t be able to touch their very hearts and preach the gospel unless God’s timing to do so has really come. The prophet Amos asked rightly,
“Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” (Amos 3:3 KJV)
I would say, it is primarily a heart agreement (aka agape love) that is needed here. Believers whose hearts belong to God are more interested in what God has to say than what (their old) man could contribute to the conversation. To enlarge upon what I just said, I offer you an excerpt from an article on oneness by T. Austin Sparks below.
“One thing which characterised the Church at its beginning was oneness. They spoke the same things, they were all of one mind and one heart, and what ground the enemy lost! But, as soon as the enemy began his secret ‘fifth column’ work of propagating internal doubts, suspicions, prejudices, he very soon brought the Church down out of that realm of reigning life and scattered its power. Oh, we must pray the Lord that the one Christ, the one Spirit, shall be in the ascendant in us! We shall not be living either upon the ground of what we are naturally – for we shall always be affected by what we are naturally, but upon the ground of what there is of Christ in one another; neither let us be dwelling upon the ground of possible error, possible false teaching, and possibility of it being there all the time and almost looking for that more than anything else. Oh, we must trust the Lord about this matter! I do believe, beloved, that the safest way, the way of our protection from error, is to go on with the Lord. Our position must be – I am going on with the Lord where I find the Lord, and I am going to trust the Lord in the matter of error, and, as we walk with the Lord, we shall sense, without looking for it, where the error is, and we shall be warned by the Spirit, we shall know. We must move on the positive basis, that of the Lord Himself, and that is glory in the Church, when it is the Lord. “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
“We know quite well, in simple ways, that this is true. We meet one another, we have never met before. We discover very quickly by our spiritual sense that we belong to the Lord, and then we have a very blessed time simply on that ground. We flow together because we are the Lord’s, and, if only we stood there, we would go on having a blessed time; but presently we begin to discuss some doctrine and find we do not agree. All the glory goes out, the fellowship breaks down. Oh, the Lord hold us into Himself!”
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Kenneth E Dawson said:
Your article is of perfect timing as for my situation. My daughter Gabby was in Florida preparing for marriage to her boyfriend,James.They had a baby.Now he has been killed by a car wreck and they will put him into the ground on Friday.Meanwhile there is a battle brewing as to the baby,who is going to take control over him? There is my ex wife,my daughter,another daughter,the parents of James,me and my exes brother,and others.Every one is of a different theology. This shall surely be an interesting debate!
I can only speak for myself—Lord your will be done.
Thanks for the timely article Ken
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
You are very welcome, Ken.
I hardly know how to answer you here. What a horrible situation for your daughter and your whole family!! I can only second your prayer. May God’s will be done regarding the baby.
May God also help you deal with your other family members. From a human point of view, anything but easy, I would say. But what is impossible with man is possible with God.
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Kenneth E Dawson said:
YEA SUE I AGREE AND I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD HIMSELF IS MY TOWER OF STRENGTH.
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Amen, Ken. HE IS!!!
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Michael said:
Great article, Susanne! What a contrast Sparks points out as to the Church that was ONE IN Christ and His Spirit in the beginning and what we have today masquerading as “the church.” Jesus said, “By THIS shall all men know that you are my disciples, that you love one another.” The one identifier that points the world to Christ, the love bond between members of His body has been missing for the most part for many centuries where sectarianism has been the rule. Sparks pointed out the heart of the problem in Christendom today:
“We shall not be living either upon the ground of what we are naturally… but upon the ground of what there is of Christ in one another; neither let us be dwelling upon the ground of possible error, possible false teaching, and possibility of it being there all the time and almost looking for that more than anything else… We must move on the positive basis, that of the Lord Himself, and that is glory in the Church, when it is the Lord. “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
Just the other day I was asked by a “church person” who had just found out that I am a Christian, where I go to church on Sunday. This is how today’s schism-atized church people think… in terms of denominations and sects, when if we are members one of another in Christ as the New Testament teaches, it is sufficient when we meet one another that we are both born of His Spirit and members of ONE body, not what building we meet in on Sundays or what human teacher we sit under. Christ is our sufficiency and His love is what attracts us to one another and holds us together in the family of God. Paul wrote,
“From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once knew Christ from a human point of view, we know him no longer in that way. So if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new!” (2Cor 5:16-17, NRS)
Susanne, it is such a blessing to know you after the Spirit of Christ in you, instead of knowing you from a human point of view. God has used you to drive this lesson home into my heart. “Father, open our eyes to see all men as YOU see them in the light of who YOU have called them to be in your Son. Amen.”
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Amen to your prayer, Michael, and thank you.
Indeed, I have often wondered how even everyone (!) might discern the difference between these ‘loves’ as they watch Christians (equipped with divine agape love) versus non-Christians (equipped with mere human love), respectively. Not that I have an entirely satisfactory answer yet. But what just came to mind was that God Himself through His Spirit must reveal the truth to the hearts of those concerned, i.e., these ‘everyones’ who recognize Jesus’ disciples due to their loving relationships. Do you have other/additional thoughts about this, my brother? 🙄
For 4 1/2 years now our spiritual relationship has been a wonderful blessing to me, too, Michael. ⭐ You are a great treasure from God!! ❤
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Anna Waldherr said:
As it happens, we have been studying this principle in the women’s group at my church. “Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself’ (Philippians 2: 3). The weather here, by the way, has gone from months of rain to overwhelming heat. ❤
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Susanne Schuberth (Germany) said:
Such coincidence, indeed, dear Anna! 🙂
I like this verse from Philippians! It seems to say in the first part that we should deny the flesh/old man in order to, second part, walk by the spirit through whom alone we will be enabled to share God’s perspective on others as a new creation in Christ.
I am sorry to hear you had such a long and rainy period there. Could you, please, send some rain to Bavaria next time? Actually, these few raindrops yesterday not even reached the ground under my many flowers, veggies and fruit. So I had to water all these pots after my long swimming today once again. Indeed, the heat is back here also and I can only deal with it as I have spent a long time in cold water before. Afterwards, I hear people sigh and complain about the heat, yet this cooling down helps me a lot to get through all day long. To be honest, I do not like the heat at all! 😛
Love ❤
Susanne
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