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I decided to publish another checklist that might be helpful to find out whether you or anyone else you know has touched on any kind of group (Christian, religious, political, esoteric etc.) that eventually turns out to be dangerous for spirit, body, and soul. Michael Clark and I translated this Seventeen Point Checklist from a checklist I would find years ago on a German website. Michael recently published a great blog article in which he described his own painful experiences in cults. The picture he attached to that post was very inspiring for me, so I also chose a photo from George Orwell’s “1984”. I recall how much I hated to read this book in high school about 36 years ago, such a dark scenery! 
Back to the check list: If you follow the link below, you can also see the pictures (cartoons) that go along with the German text which I changed slightly due to a, which I believe, inappropriate wording in one case. I wanted to follow the Spirit’s leading here as you might have already expected when you are familiar with my writings.
http://www.ebi-sachsen.de/sekten/checkliste.html
Seventeen Point Checklist for Unknown Groups
1) In this group you will find exactly what you have been looking for in vain. They know to a hair’s breadth what you have been missing.
2) Even the first contact discloses a completely new view of things to you.
3) The worldview of the group is amazingly simple and explains every problem.
4) It’s hard to get a clear picture of the group. You should not ponder nor examine. Your new friends say: “You cannot explain it, you have to experience that, therefore, come right to our center.”
5) The group has a master, a medium, a leader or a guru who alone is in possession of the whole truth.
6) The doctrine of the group is the only true, eternally true knowledge. Established science, rational thinking, and the mind are rejected as overly intellectual, as negative, satanic or unenlightened.
7) Criticism by outsiders is considered proof that the group is right.
8) The world is heading for disaster and only the group knows how to save the world.
9) The group is the elite; the rest of humanity is sick and lost if it does not participate and thus could be saved.
10) You should become a member immediately.
11) The group distinguishes itself from the rest of the world, for example, through clothing, nutritional rules, its own language, strict regulation of interpersonal relationships.
12) The group wants you to break off all “old” relationships because they hinder your development.
13) Your sexual behavior is prescribed to you exactly, such as mate choice through the leadership, total abstinence or the opposite.
14) The group fills your entire time with tasks: selling books or newspapers, soliciting new members, attending courses, meditating…
15) It’s hard to be alone because someone from the group is always there.
16) If you start to doubt in case the promised success does not materialize, you are “guilty” because you supposedly have not championed the cause enough or because you have not believed enough.
17) The group demands strict adherence to their rules and discipline – as the only way to salvation.
With already only one “yes” – Attention!!!
Furthermore, I found a website on the internet on which you could detect, among other helpful information, countless cults by names. Below you can read some extra advice for outsiders (here parents) who are suspicious that their children in college (or anyone else YOU know) might have joined a cult. Beneath these five signs to look for this website offers additional five signs for these students (or anyone else) who might sense that they themselves are being drawn into such a dangerous cult. My apologies for the redundancy of a few features here!
Recognizing cult involvement
Signs for parents to look for:
- Abrupt personality change [e.g. from introverted to extroverted, open to suspicious, loss of sense of humor or former interests such as sports, hobbies etc.]
- Cutting of ties with family and friends [increasingly all time spent with group members]
- Total involvement with the group, excluding all else [increasingly submerged within the group and its environment]
- Quick involvement in proselytizing and fund-raising [this is often seemingly obsessive and all-consuming of time and effort]
- Speech that begins to reflect the group’s rigid dogma [the same words and phrases used repeatedly that match those of other group members–highly definitive thought-terminating jargon]
Signs for students to watch for:
- Authoritarian male[/female] figure [that is the focus of the group]
- High-pressure pitch–[they won’t leave you alone–no respect for your personal boundaries]
- Vows of a group’s support and love for you before they know you [but conditional upon your acceptance of the group and its doctrine]
- Demands that you sever ties to family, friends and religion [anyone or anything that seemingly opposes the group, its control and agenda]
- Invitations to leave campus for a religious retreat [where there is isolation, control of the environment and information and no meaningful outside frame of reference]
Entering the Promised Land 
I would never be forced to join any group—-If I can not scrutinize then I will run.
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Good, Ken. 👍🏻
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Thanks for the links to my blog, Susanne. As I read the 17 point check list, I saw a lot of things I experienced in the Catholic church as a youth. The first two points were a natural, being I was born into Catholicism:
3) “The worldview of the group is amazingly simple and explains every problem…” Yes, it was simple, we are all sinners going to hell and only the RCC had the sacraments to give you your weekly fix for sin. Anyone excommunicated from the church was automatically bound for hell.
4) “It’s hard to get a clear picture of the group. You should not ponder nor examine. You cannot explain it…” The mass was all in Latin which is a dead language and we had no clue what we were praying or singing. Even as an altar-boy I had to memorize the Latin responses without a clue what I was saying.
As far as getting a clear idea of what the RCC believed, they taught us the the church was universal and that their doctrines were the same all over the world… NOT! The RCC is a chameleon It takes on the color of whatever it sits on. Each area has its own patron saint with certain rights and feasts that are observed in memory of that saint and a belief structure that is compatible to the superstitions of that area.
5) “The group has a master, a medium, a leader or a guru who alone is in possession of the whole truth.” The pope is the master spiritual leader, the Pontiffs Maximums, not to be questioned. Funny how many Protestant churches have pastors ruling over them that are the same way!
6) “The doctrine of the group is the only true, eternally true knowledge…” Same again, They taught us that unless you are a practicing Catholic following all its doctrines, you cannot go to heaven. This is called “orthodoxy.” It is also amazing how many Protestant churches claim that only theirs has the right teachings.
You get the picture. I could go on point by point. What it comes down to is any so-called “mainline churches” are cults! Any organization that places its teachings and its leadership in your life in the place of the headship of Christ and His Spirit teaching you, is antichrist.
David in the O.T. had it figured out, “The LORD is MY Shepherd…” Jesus also made it clear that only HE is the Shepherd of His flock. Read John 10:1-14 with this in mind. Today we have MANY thieves and robbers who have laid claim to His flock and have “come before Him” in their lives.
“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE, AND THERE SHALL BE ONE FOLD AND ONE SHEPHERD.” (John 10:16, KJ2000)
THIS is the only ecumenism that God recognizes. Oh, dear saints, hearing the still small voice of Jesus’ Spirit is not an option.
Love to all,
Michael
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You are very welcome, Michael.
Very good comment by you! ⭐ I would even go so far to say that every kind of church setting that is not gathered under the headship of Christ and the leading of the Holy Spirit will most certainly turn into a cult sooner or later. As soon as tradition comes in and money is needed for the building, money for those clerical ‘workers’ who believe they need to be payed for as ‘god’ speaks and acts through them, then the Holy Spirit withdraws. Thus God makes room for other spirits to take over. Imagine this! How awful for those believers who are simply fellowship seekers and do not dare to leave tradition! They have been deceived and are being deceived if they cannot hear this:
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
6 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed.
7 As she glorified herself and lived in luxury, so give her a like measure of torment and mourning, since in her heart she says, ‘I sit as a queen, I am no widow, and mourning I shall never see.’
8 For this reason her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who has judged her.”
9 And the kings of the earth, who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke of her burning.
10 They will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, “Alas! Alas! You great city, you mighty city, Babylon! For in a single hour your judgment has come.”
11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo anymore,
12 cargo of gold, silver, jewels, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, scarlet cloth, all kinds of scented wood, all kinds of articles of ivory, all kinds of articles of costly wood, bronze, iron and marble,
13 cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls.
14 “The fruit for which your soul longed has gone from you, and all your delicacies and your splendors are lost to you, never to be found again!”
15 The merchants of these wares, who gained wealth from her, will stand far off, in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning aloud,
16 “Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!
17 For in a single hour all this wealth has been laid waste.” And all shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off
18 and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, “What city was like the great city?”
19 And they threw dust on their heads as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! For in a single hour she has been laid waste.
20 Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!”
21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more;
22 and the sound of harpists and musicians, of flute players and trumpeters, will be heard in you no more, and a craftsman of any craft will be found in you no more, and the sound of the mill will be heard in you no more,
23 and the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.”
(Rev 18:4-24 ESV)
This voice is a voice from HEAVEN as the first verse confirms. Only those who have received His Spirit in their hearts can hear it. Those who are still in bondage of their five natural senses will still expect to meet God somewhere in the visible world, that is, in a church building or temple of sorts although God does not live in buildings made by human hands. Since Jesus’ death God only dwells in human bodies as His own temple.
Brothers and sisters, this is THE WHOLE NEW COVENANT:
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”
17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin. (Heb 10:16-18 ESV)
Nothing else is needed. Amen.
Love to all,
Susanne
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Susanne, great comment! You wrote, “As soon as [church] tradition comes in and money is needed for the building, money for those clerical ‘workers’ who believe they need to be payed for as ‘god’ speaks and acts through them, then the Holy Spirit withdraws. Thus God makes room for other spirits to take over.”
How observant, my dear sister! Jesus made it clear, “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” (Matt 6:24, ESV2011). The god of Mammon always out-trumps the Holy Spirit in these worldly churches.
There was no such thing as a “church building” for the followers of Christ to meet in for the first 290 years (The pagan Emperor Constantine took control of the church in about 311 AD and changed it into the official bureau of religion of the Roman Empire). Until then they met in homes so the only “offerings” that were taken up were for the poor and needy among them. As far as “the paid Christian” in their midst, their were no salaried professionals, either. Paul made that clear in his teachings,
“Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us. For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things. But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,” (Phil 3:17-20, ESV2011)
We are NOT to keep our eyes on those who do not follow Paul’s example, supporting himself by manual labor. But what we have today are churches full of people who can’t wait to get a position on the paid staff. THAT is their only example of what “church leadership” does. Sick! Paul calls the paid professional Christians, “enemies of the cross” whose minds are set on earthly things, “who’s god is their belly” and not on our citizenship in heaven.
And again he wrote:
“Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. (2Thess 3:6-12, ESV2011)
“…with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you… to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.”
The church leadership toiled and labored providing for themselves, and did not mooch off the believers. Paul not only supported himself as an example to all, but he often supported others who were in need among them (see Acts 20:34-35). He had no lust for the things of this world! “The ministry” in churches today is a paid profession just like any other worldly profession. You get a degree and apply for work in a corporation and settle in looking for ways to climb higher in the organization.
We have some friends who tried going to one of the local mega-churches here in town and they barely make it on his wages and she is medically disabled. She got very sick for a few weeks and nobody from that church called, came to visit or even cared and she was the chairman of a church “ministry.” Well, the final straw for them in that church was when the officials took up a collection so the pastor could have a nicer and better boat than the expensive boat he already had one that our friends could have never dreamed of owning.
It is very obvious here in America, at least (and everywhere in the world that the American gospel had been preached), that the example of church leadership is not a heavenly one, but very worldly. The churches here are operated like any other corporation with salaries, perks and bonuses for building ever bigger church buildings and a larger human mechanized force with bigger programs to go with it. it seems that for the most part Paul’s warning to the elders of the Ephesian church has gone unheeded:
“I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.” (Acts 20:29-31, ESV2011)
Whatever happened to men and women who led by example as they made disciples of Christ instead of themselves?
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Thank you very much for the encouragement, Michael! ⭐ Looking forward to seeing this great comment by you as a blog post on AWV. 😉
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Susanne, I got it posted. These things become so clear once we have our hearts set on our Father’s kingdom instead of the kingdoms of this world.
https://awildernessvoice.blog/2019/02/02/what-does-spiritual-church-leadership-look-like/
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Glad to hear this, Michael. 🙂
Yes, indeed, it seems to me that God loves to share increasingly more of His Truth (which is Christ) with us, the more He has drawn us into His unseen, spiritual kingdom that is NOT of this world.
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So true, Susanne. I think that Paul wrote about this in his own life. There is a point that these thing will become more than words can describe as His kingdom increases within us..
“I knew a man in Christ fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;) such a one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such a one will I boast: yet of myself I will not boast, but in my weaknesses.” (2Cor 12:2-5, KJ2000)
“and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” (Luke 1:33, ESV2011)
Father we surrender ourselves to you. Let your Son’s kingdom increase in us forevermore. Amen
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Amen, Michael. These Scriptures fit! ⭐
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and Amen! to both the comment and reply between you and Michael, Susanne! THAT discourse was like a rushing mighty wind!
quote from Rev 18:13c: ” and slaves, that is, human souls.”
of all the cargo that these merchants are mourning over, this I believe is what reveals those who are trapped in these many cults.
Of course actual slaves are cargo, however, I think the addition of the words “human souls” tells a deeper enslavement…
Reading TAS has taught me to pay attention to the order that the Holy Spirit places words and it is interesting that the slaves appear at the end of the list…
In His Love to ALL, Judi
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Thank you so much, Judi! 🙂 I am glad you felt ‘the wind’. Sometimes I really have a big burden on my heart that weighs me down for hours until I am able to jot it all down. Then, and only then, I am relieved. I also felt this wind while reading Michael’s reply and writing mine afterwards.
Love to you ❤
Susanne
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I respect how the Spirit has sharpened your hearing and tenderized your heart and made it so sensitive, Susanne. As I wrote before, He did that with many of the old prophets who called it, “the burden of the Lord” and “fire shut up in their bones” until they finally obeyed and spoke.
For me, it usually starts out with an inspiration that comes through something another saint has said. It is not a mighty rushing wind, but a still small whisper, just as it was with Elijah at the mouth of that cave. So I write down what I hear with a thought that it might go in a certain direction, but NOPE! As I write and listen the Spirit puts together something all together new like He did so many times with one of your comments, Susanne. More recently on my blog He did it with a comment by Judi about what took place in Ephesus with the silversmiths, the riot they caused and the revival that came out of it all. See it here:
https://wordpress.com/comment/awildernessvoice.blog/7251
May we all be faithful to His voice and His heart leading within us unto the edification of all.
“And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you are called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father by him.” (Col 3:15-17, KJ2000)
In His love for you all,
Michael
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Michael, I am afraid this link of yours to Judi’s comment does not work as I read after clicking on it,
Maybe, you copied and pasted this reply’s address from your admin board comment section… 🙄
Be that as it may, God has used Judi’s words several times before to stir something up inside me as well. It is always so good to see Him working through His saints who have open hearts and ears! 🙂 THANK YOU, JUDI!!!! 🙂 ❤ I saw Judi’s comment about the silversmith and felt God’s spirit in her words clearly. Wait… lets try this link to her reply:
https://awildernessvoice.blog/2019/02/02/what-does-spiritual-church-leadership-look-like/#comment-7250
In His love for all,
❤ Susanne ❤
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Thanks to Susanne and Judi both. 🙂 “Like a rushing mighty wind.” Wow! Funny, but He seems to put the words in my mind and my only job is to write the thoughts down as He means them to be. It often seems like a risky business to get it right, so I pray a lot. One thing is for sure, In Christ is all wisdom, knowledge and revelation. If He is not the one inspiring what is written, it is so much dung.
And Susanne, your burden to get out what He is giving you was not uncommon among the prophets of old.
Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in my heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary from holding it back, and I could not. (Jer 20:9, KJ2000)
I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred. My heart was hot within me, while I was meditating the fire burned: then spoke I with my tongue, (Ps 39:2-3, KJ2000)
For I am full of words, the spirit within me constrains me. Behold, my belly is as wine which has no vent; it is ready to burst like new wineskins. I will speak, that I may be refreshed: I will open my lips and answer. (Job 32:18-20, KJ2000)
I know you relate, dear heart. ❤
Bless you both,
Michael
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You are very welcome, Michael. Of course, I can relate! Once again you reminded me of these words of Jeremia as you did in the past in this article. I recall at that time the burden was almost unbearable and that God did not allow me sleep until His will was done, even in the night. 🙄
Every blessing to you,
Susanne ❤
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Susanne, I relate! I awoke at 4;30 this morning with a terrible burden on my mind and heart about the latest push in Virginia and New York states to make it legal to abort a baby as it is being born and to no longer make it the crime of murder when a child is killed in it mother’s womb by an abortionist or whoever. What they have come up with is a “fourth trimester” abortion law. How satanic can they get?!
The Life given us by God is no longer sacred in this hedonistic society of ours. Is it any wonder that children take guns to school in America and kill other children? In Europe old people who they judge as “useless eaters” are encouraged to consider doctor assisted suicide so they are no longer a burden on their families and the state. We are under the spirit of murder in this country and it started out as a “right” for a woman to kill her own unborn child. No wonder where Satan reigns, wholesale genocide is the rule of the day. Our Father commanded, “Thou shalt not kill.” He did not say, “Thou shalt not kill unless it is for your own convince sake.”
“And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets (sometimes they are politicians and judges) will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” (Matt 24:10-13, ESV2011)
Father, help us by your Spirit to endure Amen.
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Michael, again, I just found this comment by you in my trash folder. 😦
Like you I was shocked about reading THIS. I also got a great burden on my heart and told my hubby Paul about it who would shake his head in unbelief. We can only pray, my brother. This idea is as satanic as can be!!! If someone wants to have more information, Anna Waldherrr blogged about it here.
As for this idea of euthanasia [‘mercy killing’ – yuk, what an expression!!!], it might have sprung from the Third Reich, I am afraid, although it has not been allowed in Germany since then (for historical reasons, I believe). But in Switzerland and in the Netherlands it is legal, alas. 😦
This Scripture says it all, Michael. 😦
Amen to your prayer!
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Extremely helpful, Susanne. But I was puzzled by item No. 1. How is that even possible before a group comes to know the prospective follower? Or is the promise of exactly what the prospective follower has been searching for a mere pretense?
Thank you, as always, for your sharing your wisdom and insights.
With love,
Anna ❤
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You are most welcome, dear Anna. ❤
Indeed, good question you raised here…. 🙄 As far as I can see it, this 17 point checklist was published by both protestant sect advisers and the German ministry of education and cultural affairs. It appears to me that your latter question touches on the topic here. Someone who is NOT searching for a better life or ‘new’ solutions to their problems is not so much in danger to get involved with such groups because they won’t feel addressed when they read a flyer by such a group, for example. What I can say from my own experience is that you get ‘love-bombed’ from the very first contact and as you dare to share some of your problems with them, they seem to have an answer to any of them. It is only later as you have become as member that this initial mollycoddling is over.
I recall having read a testimony by an ex-scientologist (a woman) yesterday who was thrilled to get in touch with such young, beautiful, and overly friendly people. She lived in a small village in Sweden and was eager to get away from that ‘boredom’ there. As she came to see later that it was hard work for nothing in the cult, punishment for not following their rules, and even being imprisoned in a sort of labor camp (close to L.A.), it was too late. People who want to escape from Scientology where they are closely guarded need to have a smart plan like hiding in a car trunk or claiming they had a mental break down so that they can get into a hospital and run from there. Most often they escape into nothingness as they usually have no money, no job, and often times part of their family members remain in the cult from whom they are cut off completely afterwards. Very sad!! ☹
The Cult Education Institute (my last link in the article) is Rick Alan Ross’ website. He is a cult expert who is said to have helped many people who had come in touch with (esp. families outside) or were themselves involved in cults to deal with their specific problems. I saw that he is also acknowledged as a cult expert (esp. Scientology) at court. Yesterday I would listen (partially) to two videos he shared about the Kabbalah cult and Scientology. It was enjoyable to listen to this calm man as he knows the scene well and is not judgmental but offers important insights and information.
Love to you ❤
Susanne
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⭐ Like ⭐ Sorry, but your latest article was not on Reader and this flaky WordPress won’t let me “like” it either. It is even MORE flaky trying to use it on my phone.
I appreciate your exchange with Anna as well.
The old adage of “How do you boil a frog?” applies to how people get caught in these groups. As it was with Eve in the garden, everything looks wonderful and logical as they entice the unsuspecting into them. Most people do not plan on being deceived when they get married, either, but it happens. Love is blind unless it is the love of God. He loves us knowing full well who we are and what we have done and will do. “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
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I have had five comments by you in my trash folder, Michael, and just now I approved three of them. I hope that was okay. You mentioned something about deleting the first ones? 🙄
I know that WordPress has been acting up, not only lately. I just checked my Reader and it allows me like my own post 😉 BUT you need to hit the ‘MANAGE” button on the right of “FOLLOWED SITES” and then click on “Entering the Promised Land” so that all my latest blog posts show up in a row. It is true as you look for this particular blog post when you check all posts under “FOLLOWED SITES” only, my article is not there. VERRRRY STRANGE!!! 🙄
I know you started following your own blog, too, so that you might have a sort of control as well. Every time I publish a blog post, my stomach turns when I get the notification about it in my inbox as I am forced to look at the ads added at the end of my article. I cannot change that unless I upgrade and start to pay for it. As we receive God’s wisdom for free, I think I continue to use WordPress and several Bible devices for free as well, despite the ads.
It is true that nobody plans to be deceived, however, it happens again and again. I fully agree with you that only His love makes us see! ❤
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Thanks, Susanne for your help. With Daddy’s help, I think you did everything just fine. Thanks for all the likes and comments, too. ⭐ ❤
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You are very welcome, Michael. Thank you for being you! ⭐ ❤
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Excelente artículo Susan, esto me hace recordar mis días en estos grupos, mal llamados “cristianos”. Tanta era la presión en este lugar que me subí de peso como veinte kilos, me dio ansiedad y no paraba de comer. Cuando me retiré tenía unas bolas en mi cuello, de toda la tensión muscular. Logré bajar de peso, pero lo mejor fui libre espiritualmente. Esta gente obra en el poder de su alma unido al poder diabólico.
Recién me salí de allí, tuve un sueño que el Señor me dio. Estaba oscuro, estaba cerca de esta mega iglesia, comencé a escuchar una especie de rezos. El Señor me decía que caminara hasta ese lugar, yo le decía al Señor que no, que no quería ir porque sentía miedo, que yo oía como rezos satánicos, pero el Señor me insistía que siguiera caminando y que Él estaba conmigo. Llegué a su edificio y comienzo a subir los escalones y los rezos se intensificaron. Cuando llegué al último piso, el Señor me dice: “abre la puerta y mira”, y cuando la abro, veo a aquellos pastores de esa iglesia haciendo esos rezos y ahí desperté. El Señor me enseñó acerca del espíritu que obra en ellos, que no es un espíritu santo como ellos lo declaran.
Gracias mi hermana Susanne XOXOXOXOXOXOXO.
Adriana Patricia wrote,
“Excellent article Susan, this reminds me of my days in these groups, misnamed “Christians”. So much was the pressure in this place that I gained weight like twenty kilos, it gave me anxiety and I did not stop eating. When I retired I had some balls in my neck, of all the muscular tension. I managed to lose weight, but the best was spiritually free. These people work in the power of their soul united to the diabolic power.
Recently, I got out of there, I had a dream that the Lord gave me. It was dark, I was close to this mega church, I started listening to some kind of prayers. The Lord told me to walk to that place, I told the Lord that no, I did not want to go because I felt afraid, that I heard as satanic prayers, but the Lord insisted that I keep walking and that He was with me. I arrived at his building and started to climb the steps and the prayers intensified. When I reached the top floor, the Lord told me: “open the door and look”, and when I open it, I see those pastors of that church doing those prayers and there I woke up. The Lord taught me about the spirit that works in them, that is not a holy spirit as they declare it.
Thanks, my sister Susanne XOXOXOXOXOXOXO.”
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Eres muy bienvenida, mi hermana Adriana Patricia! ❤
Por cierto, acabo de encontrar esta respuesta tuya en mi carpeta de basura de WordPress antes de eliminar su contenido. : – / Me pregunto cómo llegó allí …: roll:
¡Guauu!¡Ves lo precioso que eres para nuestro Señor cuando te mostró la verdad detrás de las mentiras incluso en este sueño tan especial! Estoy tan feliz de ver con qué cuidado Él te guía en su camino. En el blog de Michael describiste algunas de las “manifestaciones” que experimentaste en tu culto con las que yo también estaba familiarizado. YUK! ¡Podemos estar tan agradecidos de haber sido liberados de toda esta esclavitud satánica! ¡A quien el Hijo libera, ella será verdaderamente libre! 😊
¡Mucho amor para ti! ❤ ❤ ❤
Susanne XOXOXOXOXO
I answered her,
“You are very welcome, my sister Adriana Patricia! ❤
Incidentally, I just found this reply of you in my WordPress trash folder before deleting its content.
I wonder how it got there… 🙄
Wow! You see how precious you are to our Lord as He showed you the truth behind the lies even in this very special dream! I am so happy to see how carefully He leads you on His path. On Michael’s blog you described some ‘manifestations’ you experienced in your cult with which I was familiar, too. YUK! We can be so grateful that we have been freed of all this satanic bondage! Whom the Son sets free, she will be free indeed! 😊
Much love to you! ❤ ❤ ❤
Susanne XOXOXOXOXO”
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Hola Susanne, yo tampoco entiendo, porque ayer cuando escribí y lo envié, no apareció y se me hizo muy extraño.
Tus palabras me hicieron llorar, hoy he estado llorona, primero dándole gracias al Señor porque me sacó de esta oscuridad a Su Luz, Dios tuvo misericordia de nosotros al sacarnos de este sistema corrupto, Gloria a Dios. Y segundo porque mañana sería el cumpleaños de mi esposo y me da nostalgia. Yo sé que él está en brazos de Papá Dios y se está gozando en Su presencia, pero aquí me hace mucha falta.
Pero bueno, prosigo al blanco, al premio del soberano llamamiento de Dios en Cristo Jesús, como dijo Pablo.
Faltaría por contar tantas cosas, pero creo que ya no vale la pena recordarlas, esta gente quiso atraparnos, pero la esclavitud no pudo resistirse ante la Libertad Gloriosa de nuestro Cristo.
También mucho amor para ti.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXO
Adriana Patricia wrote,
“Hello Susanne, I do not understand it either, because yesterday when I wrote and sent it, it did not appear and that was very strange to me.
Your words made me cry, today I have been weeping, first giving thanks to the Lord because he brought me out of this darkness into His Light. God had mercy on us to take us out of this corrupt system, Glory to God. And second because tomorrow would be my husband’s birthday and that makes me nostalgic. I know that he is in the arms of Papa Dios and he is enjoying himself in His presence, but here I miss him a lot.
But, well, I press the target, to the prize of the sovereign call of God in Christ Jesus, as Paul said.
It would be necessary to talk about so many things, but I think it is not worth remembering them. These people wanted to trap us, but slavery could not resist before the Glorious Freedom of our Christ.
Also a lot of love for you.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXOXOXO”
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Querida Adriana Patricia,
Una vez más, acabo de encontrar tu respuesta en mi carpeta de basura. Ahora soy más cautelosa con la eliminación, ya que también sucedió con otros comentarios.
Lo siento tanto que te hice llorar. 😦 Desearía poder darte un abrazo gigante XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO y enviarte una gran porción de comodidad ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ como extrañas mucho a tu esposo. 😦 ¡Por favor, Papá y Jesús, consuela a nuestra hermana con tus amor y paz abrumadora! ¡AMEN!
Sí, creo que podríamos hablar de MUCHAS cosas que ambos experimentamos en estos cultos … quizás, algún día, si Dios lo permite.
Te amo mucho en Cristo,
Susanne XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO
I answered her,
“Dear Adriana Patricia,
Again, I just found your reply in my trash folder. Now I am more cautious with deletion as it has happened with other comments, too.
I am so sorry I made you cry. I wish I could give you a giant hug XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO and send you a big portion of comfort ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ as you miss your husband so much!!! 😦 Please, Daddy and Jesus, comfort our sister with Your Love and overwhelming Peace! AMEN!
Yes, I guess we could talk about MANY things we both experienced in these cults… maybe, one day if God allows.
I love you very much in Christ,
Susanne XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO”
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AMEN, to you both! ❤ ❤
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