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Just recently it began to dawn on me that many of the misunderstandings we experience every day could be easily avoided if we tried to listen to one another more carefully. We hear someone say something or we read what someone wrote and immediately think, “Oh well – been there, done that,” without thinking further and deeper about what that particular person might have really meant.
As for me, I know that it is possible to continually stay in God’s presence when I first listen to His voice instead of reacting to my own BBB (brain blah blah). 😉 But oh, how very difficult this is!! That does not mean we should ever refrain from opening our mouth when God gives us His wisdom to do so. However, we could try to listen what another person really wants to tell us until he or she finished talking. Not always easy, I admit, since some people seem to talk without ceasing. Yet that probably happens with good reason. Maybe, they have been looking for someone who eventually hears their heart’s cry between the lines of superficial talk. In the epistle of James we are told about the importance of seeking God’s wisdom first.
“Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing. If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.” (Js 1:19-27 ESV)
[Emphasis in bold letters mine]
So, how can we discern whether our thoughts regarding a certain person with whom we are confronted spring from God’s heart or rather from our fallen nature? Simply by recognizing that we have been blessed by God with a peaceful, loving, kind, and compassionate mind and heart that influence our thinking, speaking, and finally doing. In the third chapter of his epistle James goes on to describe the difference between the wisdom of this world which belongs to Satan’s realm and the wisdom that solely comes from God.
“Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.” (Js 3:13-17 ESV)
[Emphasis in bold letters mine]
If our hearts have been opened by God to the persons with whom we have to do, we will feel His unconditional love and understanding for them – whoever these persons might be. God enables us to enjoy His peace as long as we try to seek him first. That means, when we talk with someone or read something and feel upset, nervous, or even angry, then God nudges us to flee back into His comforting presence. In this place we are always secure and able to give to others what they really need, rather than to take from these people who have nothing to give because of their, perhaps, spiritually destitute condition.
The apostle Paul reminds us of how our heart condition toward everyone could look like when God has poured His essence, which is LOVE, into our very hearts (cf. Rom 5:5).
“Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.” (1 Cor 13:4-8 ESV)
May we experience God’s Neverending Love for all of us more and more fully. Amen.
Excellent piece. I like to listen to a person with what I think of a fresh page. However, many times my page is already cluttered with what I am thinking when I am suppose to be listening. To really hear someone is refreshing even to the listener, even if the listener disagrees. At least that has been my experience.
Love and living in Him,
Pat Orr
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Thanks so much for your encouragement, dear Pat! 🙂
Oh yes, I know that “cluttered page” as well (wink wink). You said, “To really hear someone is refreshing even to the listener, even if the listener disagrees.” So true! I’d really love to quote that wonderful sentence in the future, my sister! Thumbs up!!
All of His LOVE for you ❤
Susanne
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Dear Susanne, this was a very timely reminder for me and I write this with much sorrow in my heart. I recently wrote an email to a person seeking to restore the fellowship we once had. There was no insinuation of guilt on my part toward them (at least I didn’t intend it that way). I kept in mind that God in His love is all about restoration of mankind to a loving relationship with Himself and that we should be instruments of the same. I am afraid that their reply showed that they did not receive it that way. I have yet to answer this person back for I don’t want to add more fuel to the flames. I think that sometimes you just have to let things go for a while and pray that God continues to change each of our hearts to the point that we can stop and hear what the other person’s heart is saying beyond their words and then answer them with Father’s heart of love and wisdom and not our own reactions. James also said,
“For we all often offend. If any one offend not in word, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body too… Thus also the tongue is a little member, and boasts great things. See how little a fire, how large a wood it kindles! and the tongue is fire, the world of unrighteousness; the tongue is set in our members, the defiler of the whole body, and which sets fire to the course of nature, and is set on fire of hell… the tongue can no one among men tame; it is an unsettled evil, full of death-bringing poison. Therewith bless we the Lord and Father, and therewith curse we men made after the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth goes forth blessing and cursing. It is not right, my brethren, that these things should be thus….
Who is wise and understanding among you; let him shew out of a good conversation his works in meekness of wisdom;” (James 3:2-13 Darby)
Thank you for sharing your love and insight with us, dear sister.
Michael
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Michael,
Thank you for your great comment, my brother! I am very sorry to hear that you might have been misunderstood in your intentions as to restoring fellowship. Thinking about it for some time, I remember how easily I felt triggered in the past, sometimes only by a few words. Indeed, such triggers can turn a “normal” human being into a fire spitting dragon. As I was bipolar years ago, I had some phases when certain things certain people said to me were like a red rag to a bull.
Nonetheless, there is hope. After God had used several people to pull one trigger after another until I felt all the pain I didn’t want to acknowledge before, finally, healing set in. As you might remember, I wrote about it here The Last Surrender.
As for James’ statement that a perfect man is able to bridle both his tongue and body, I do believe that he spoke of being perfected in love or as Jesus once said,
“And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Mt 5:47-48 ESV)
Perfect love includes loving our enemies and eventually casts out all fear…
Thanks again for your precious contribution here, my dear brother.
Love ❤
Susanne
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Susanne, you are so welcome! Thanks for helping me see hearts more clearly,
Michael 🙂
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Dear Michael,
It was my pleasure!😇 Isn’t it wonderful that God gives us eyes to see and ears to hear?
“But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.” (1 Cor 2:9-13 ESV)
What a mystery has God revealed to us…
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Dear Susanne,
Thank you for re-posting this article’s link on your FaceBook page. It has been over 14 months since you wrote it along with these comments we exchanged. You and I have had some wonderful fellowship in the Spirit since then and He keeps blowing our minds as to the depths of this verse you quoted from 1Cor. ch. 2. As we both seek our Father and have worked through so many triggers with His divine touch to heal. He keeps showing us again and again that we go from death unto a deeper death which is alternated by going from glory to a greater glory IN Christ!
It is from these experiences that are both painful and delightful that we continue to grow and see “what God has prepared for those who love him— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit.” We have not held back the things He has shown us, but as He leads we have shared them with each other and in our blogs just as Paul went on to write, “For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God… Now we have received… the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words… taught by the Spirit.”
What a wonderful fellowship we have had with each other in the last two years and with many of His saints who have commented with the things the Spirit has shown them as well.
Thank you for being who you are IN Christ and for the fellowship we have had together in His Spirit. ❤
Michael
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You are very welcome as to the re-post, Michael. Actually, I reread it myself before and I found it was helpful for me today, too, although I cannot remember what it was that hit me this morning… 🙄
In fact, we have had countless painful (“triggery”) and delightful experiences in this fellowship God has bestowed on us. To me it seems God lets us merely write about what we have truly suffered ourselves before since He often teaches us through painful occurrences much more than through another joyful condition we might find ourselves in at times. It appears to me, too, that writing about glorious experiences, instead, is not so common. We can only hint to these matters until the Spirit reveals it to everyone on a very personal level, be that in this life or afterwards.
Thank you for being who you are and for our wonderful spiritual fellowship, my brother! 🙂
Susanne ❤
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Susanne, you wrote:
“To me it seems God lets us merely write about what we have truly suffered ourselves before since He often teaches us through painful occurrences much more than through another joyful condition we might find ourselves in at times.”
This reminded me of the following quote,
“The human spirit will not even begin to try to surrender self-will as long as all seems to be well with it. Now error and sin both have this property, that the deeper they are the less their victim suspects their existence; they are masked evil. Pain is unmasked, unmistakable evil; every man knows that something is wrong when he is being hurt.”
“We can ignore even pleasure. But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain
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Dear Michael,
I knew that quote from C.S. Lewis before and I think he was right. Being killed by God is an extremely painful process for the old self, which will NEVER surrender to Him before it is truly dead. I recall that I wrote about this horrible pain in the heart and about losing connection to God about 1 1/2 years ago. If you like to check it out again, here is the link, my brother.
https://enteringthepromisedland.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/the-last-surrender/
You are on my heart and prayers, Michael. 🐱
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i have to repent on that one, the Lord has been working on that for yrs. usually i am too quick to speak, typical male wanting to fix everything , thank God in my weakness He can show Himself strong , i also have noticed that when i really listen to what someone is saying and like you said don’t get caught up in my mind, as it wants to throw in its 2 cents ,the Lord gives me insight into what their heart is really saying and then i am able to speak what the Lord wants to say ,and with that grace ( life ) is imparted Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearer , Jesus would listen to a person and alot of the time wouldn’t answer what they mouth was saying but would answer what their heart was saying. i have a friend who is a listener by nature and most everybody loves him.cause we all want to be heard .i think part of the problem with some , in family life when we were kids what we said wasn’t heard so later in life we either clam up or push into the conversation and make sure our point is heard. By the way i’ve been there done that 🙂
your brother in Christ ~ wayne
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Hi Wayne!
I am glad that you as a man realized that “wanting to fix everything” might be a male disposition. 😉 But we as women are not better off with our (helpless) helper syndrome which is another kind of trying to fix what only God can do.
You wrote, “I also have noticed that when i really listen to what someone is saying and like you said don’t get caught up in my mind, as it wants to throw in its 2 cents, the Lord gives me insight into what their heart is really saying and then i am able to speak what the Lord wants to say, and with that grace ( life ) is imparted.” What a great observation, Wayne! Yes, it is the Lord that helps us see the real needs of others.
Here’s another quotable sentence which displays the character of our Lord. You also wrote, “Jesus would listen to a person and alot of the time wouldn’t answer what they mouth was saying but would answer what their heart was saying.” Actually, I believe that is one of the reasons why Jesus was and still is so often misunderstood. If we don’t share God’s heart knowledge, we cannot understand Him nor our neighbors – ever.
And yep, not being heard as a child causes people to talk more later – that’s my observation as well. So true, who of us wants NOT to be heard? Indeed, we all need one another in order to talk AND to listen so that fellowship truly works.
Been there, done that, too, my brother. 🙂
Love ❤
Susanne
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Susanne- i read ( the last surrender and the other post along those lines ) and i appreciate your sharing and your honesty. i can relate to some of your pain and testimonies as i went through years of depression with all the phobias and other side effects, anger fear anxiety , panic attacks , deep lows,ect. when i came to the Lord i was suicidal and cried out to God if He was real to help me or i was done with it all. that was 36yrs ago,in retrospect i can see how He was drawing me the whole time, the depression seem to be a generational curse in my family my sister, diagnosed bipolar, and my mom suffered with depression most of her life as did most of the people on her side of the family my aunt even had shock therapy when it was in its crude stages. after i cried out to God for help he led me to a shrink who helped me for a season until i really met the Lord. as the Lord led me through the tangled web of depression and phobias my relationship with Him grew stronger and stronger, He could have healed me instantly but He chose to walk with me for yrs. through it all as He brought healing to all the different areas. He would give me a greater grace that would lift me above the situations , almost out of myself,even though the pain was still there, as i would look to Him . this is the short version of all the wonderful healings He did in my life. He used the testimony of the healing of the depression for years in relating to people suffering from the same thing ,to let them know there was some hope in Jesus,. one sunday when the pastor was out of town he asked me to share, we had some new people that didn’t know me that well ,so i thought i would share my testimony of my healing when i started to make some notes i realized the pain related to it was not there only the testimony of what the Lord had done was all i could remember ( kind of like in heaven when He wipes away all the tears and all we can see is His wonderful working in our life ) when i read some of the things you share about your healing it brings back the memories of what the Lord did in my life and it makes praise and thanksgiving well up in my heart. as i moved past that season in the Lord to deal with other areas in my life sometime i don’t remember all he did in that place. so thank you for your sharing .i was going to say been there done that but i chose not to. 🙂
love in Christ ~ wayne
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WOW!💎
Wayne, what a thrilling testimony‼️ Awesome… Leaves me speechless… 💬
Love in Christ,
Susanne
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yes Sue that is the message I have been getting from my lord here lately and that is to listen with my heart to what others are saying and responding back to them with my new heart given to me by God
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Thank you, my brother. Same message for you, Kenneth? ONE Spirit, indeed, don’t you think?
Love ❤
Susanne
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Amen to all of you! It is truly all about the heart with God and that is where we meet and have fellowship with Him.
But the LORD said to Samuel, “…for the LORD sees not as man sees; man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.” (1 Samuel 16:7 RSVA)
For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show his might in behalf of those whose heart is blameless toward him… (2 Chronicles 16:9 RSVA)
And before him no creature is hidden, but all are open and laid bare to the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
(Hebrews 4:13-16 RSVA)
The heart is so important to our Father that He left nothing to chance in our New Covenant with Him…
A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances. (Ezekiel 36:26-27 RSVA)
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: “The days will come, says the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; for they did not continue in my covenant, and so I paid no heed to them, says the Lord. This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Hebrews 8:7-10 RSVA)
I thank our Father that we can fellowship together heart to heart before Him because He has placed us in our Beloved Jesus Christ who stands before Him ever to make intercession for us. In His terrific love for you all,
Michael
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Michael – i like the scripture you shared ( ez-36:26 ) especially the part where it says, and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances.
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Yes, Wayne – that is so relieving. He’s got all the power to change in us what must be changed. Or in other words, “for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.” (Phil 2:13 ESV)
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Thank you, Michael. Great Scriptures, indeed! ⭐
Yes, His loving ❤ is terrific. He loves us all exactly the same, but individually, and each of us as if he or she would be the only person that exists – that's a mystery, isn't it…
God does not withdraw His love from one person so that He could love another (more); that would be the behavior of a fallen human being. Instead, God's unfathomable, unconditional, and unimaginably deep love knows no change – ever. And He is yearning to bless His children with every spiritual blessing, even as long as they are on earth. For it is written,
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change." (Js 1:17 ESV)
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Susanne,
Yes, God’s love is different… it is infinite! I remember how my wife after having our first child was worried when finding out that she was pregnant with a second one. She loved the first one so much that she wondered if she would have any left for the next one. Well, God came through and she soon had enough for them both once the second boy arrived… God is that way billions of times over.
“This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope. It is of the LORD’S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is your faithfulness. The LORD is my portion, says my soul; therefore will I hope in him. The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeks him.” (Lamentations 3:21-25 KJ2000)
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Michael, I found a short quote that also applies to what you shared about Dorothy’s worries as to your second child. It simply says,
“Only love can be divided endlessly and still not diminish.”
― Anne Morrow Lindbergh
Now, that is a mystery, isn’t it? 😉
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Susanne,
I miss the depth of what you write SO often and when I go back and read your blogs again, there is another gem to be found each time. Just now I looked up this woman, Anne Morrow Lindbergh, and found another great quote by her that I KNOW you will relate to…
“I do not believe that sheer suffering teaches. If suffering alone taught, all the world would be wise, since everyone suffers. To suffering must be added mourning, understanding, patience, love, openness and the willingness to remain vulnerable.”
Anne Morrow Lindbergh – http://www.azquotes.com/quote/176259
Thank God that He has been working all these things in our hearts as we have suffered together as members of Christ’s body. 🐻 🐱
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Thank you very much for calling some of what I wrote in my “older” blog posts gems. Yes, you were right about AML. This was a very good quote by her.
Michael, I know it was never a pleasure to suffer, neither for you nor for me, but the outcome is all worth it, I believe. Knowing God is all that counts and being known by Him, even as His beloved children for it is written,
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. (Rom 8:14-17 ESV)
Thank God for his purifying work in our hearts that made us members of His Body! 🐱 🐻
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Susanne, AML wrote, “To suffering must be added mourning, understanding, patience, love, openness and the willingness to remain vulnerable.” This seems to be a process. First the mourning over the loss. And then eventually we agree with God for letting or making it happen and we get understanding. After understanding we build up patience with Him and His ways. Eventually we agree with Him and His ways and love Him for it and our hearts are open to Him again and we eventually become willing to be vulnerable again because of love.
Learning to do this humans that He uses in this process with us is the hard part.
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Yes, Michael, it is not natural to our old nature to be patient and to endure suffering at that. Being mad at God about what He lets us taste (here, the death of the old self) happens often and should not be suppressed. We cannot love God on our own and we do not understand His ways and guidance – ever. As you often said, we urgently need a new heart and new mind that both come from Him. Our old stuff won’t help us here, right? 🙄
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Yup! We are spiritually bankrupt. So it is a process getting there it seems. Sometimes I feel like a piece of “processed” cheese! 😛
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Alas, it is a process, Michael. I always wondered why God not simply pressed a button so that everything would have been okay. But no… we need to go through it all until we see the light after a long dark night.
Processed cheese… hmm… I know you like cheese, so maybe, that is not the worst thing? 😉
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I think that God puts a high premium on obedience and to get that worked into us requires that we suffer. For even Jesus learned obedience through the things that He suffered.
BTW, Processed cheese is terrible! It is like a poor attempt at making plastic taste like real cheese. Hopefully what God ends up in us will be better than a cheap religious knock-off. This reminds me of the lyrics to a song… an old hymn of the “faith”…
“I don’t care if it rains or freezes,
As long as I have my plastic Jesus,
Mounted on the dashboard of my car…”
🙂
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Yes, obedience is necessary and if we want to be conformed into His image, we need to suffer with Him.
Okay, okay, Michael, I do not like processed cheese that much, either.
This song is funny, but quite strange, too. The only thing I could think of was a plastic Elvis I sometimes saw. But a plastic JESUS? Ugh!! 😛
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I like your comment conversation it made me laugh. Which I needed as I am going through some suffering my self.
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I am happy we made you laugh with our comment thread, Fred. 🙂
But I am sorry to hear that you have been suffering, too. You are in my prayers!!
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This is a great message thanks. I know I needed this as I have had trouble with customers now and then. I got frustrated at a customer this weekend but it seemed to have put her own frustrated aside and we actually had a good trouble shooting time after that. However I know I should not have showed such frustration toward her.
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You’re very welcome, Fred.
Well, such things happen since we are all human. Only the new self will do it as Jesus would have done it also, for it is written,
“And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.” (1 Jn 2:3-6 ESV)
The variance analysis of all our “should haves” shows us that there is still the old self that has not yet died. The new self, instead, lives in the here and now as I recently described it in one of my poems. If you like, see
https://susanneschuberth.wordpress.com/2016/02/07/eternal-life-in-the-here-and-now/.
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