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I just had an interesting picture on my mind. Imagine all people in this world initially walk through barren and desolate land for the most part of their lifetime. But sometimes some of them suddenly see an oasis before their eyes. They can hardly believe that they now can leave the wilderness they were in for a very long time and sparks of hope begin to take root inside their hearts. However, alas, as they come closer and closer, they realize that what they had seen within their reach seemed to be only a Fata Morgana since it was gone as soon as they wanted to take possession of it. Grievously disappointed and discouraged they find themselves forced to continue on their journey through the desert, but they cannot forget the beauty of the place they would see before being able to arrive there.
This is what I would call the approach of all religions that exist in this world. People had experiences of seeing a world they had not been capable of perceiving beforehand and they try to do all sorts of things in order to find it again. Some of them often read about such experiences and tell one another again and again how that oasis would look like and how they felt facing an almost indescribable beauty. Others sing about that supernatural view, even though they themselves might have never seen it before. Still others try to find that foreign land inside themselves by practicing self-discovery methods like meditation, contemplation, and various relaxation techniques for body and mind. Oh, there are sooo many people in this world who long for MORE of life! I believe they long for the MORE only God can provide. But how can we find it?
Could you believe it if I told you that all people are IN Christ, yet that only a handful of them will ever get aware of it permanently during this lifetime? Since God is omnipresent and Jesus Christ is God, no human being is able to escape God’s presence unless the eternal God Himself ceases to be ubiquitous. The apostle Paul declared as he was in Athens,
“The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’” (Acts 17:24-28 ESV)
In Him ALL of us live and move and have our being; we just read the biblical confirmation. In order to refine the above-mentioned wilderness picture that could be familiar to us regarding our human trials and afflictions, just as the picture of the oasis could represent some relief through temporary happiness, I will now introduce a further possibility of experiencing the eternal God through sharing eternal life IN Christ continuously.
Let’s say on your way through the desert you surprisingly meet someone who tells you about a big river inside the wilderness that would be able to keep you in perfect peace and joy as long as you were able to stay inside. But if you left the river again, you would be forced to live your life as you used to do beforehand and to continue wandering through barren and desolate land, seemingly forever…
Does that river exist? Is it possible to ever get there for every single one of us? Yes, I believe it is possible for it is God’s grace alone that enables man to finally die to self in that river. Since the night is the darkest before the dawn, as the saying goes, there will be one particular day when we will get aware of having found eternal life inside us when we suddenly sense that the river we before merely observed somehow from the outside has become a spring of living water (read Holy Spirit) in ourselves (Jn 4:14, 7:38). Then we will see God everywhere, in everything, and in everyone. And then we have really entered the kingdom of God, the Promised Land, and nothing can “separate us from the love of God IN Christ Jesus our Lord” (Rom 8:38 ESV) – [Emphasis in caps mine].
I know from my own experience that it is very difficult to describe the experiences of which I just tried to tell you on here. Therefore I want to point you to two different poems I wrote recently that deal exactly with the (end of the) process of dying to self and the (very!) slow dawning of a new era in our earthly life through the experience of having been immersed into Christ with our whole being. IN Christ…real life begins….even plenty of everything as Jesus promised here,
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.” (Jn 10:10 ESV)
If you follow the links below, you can read the poems on my other blog Susanne Schuberth’s Poetry.
(1) https://susanneschuberth.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/gods-light-comes-in-the-night/
(2) https://susanneschuberth.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/the-kings-palace-or-the-river-of-no-return/
Thank you, Susanne. You have given me much to think about. Paul wrote,
And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. (Colossians 1:17-20 ESV)
“IN CHRIST” means everything to me. If I am not IN Christ but am left to just “believe upon” Him by the power of my will and intellect, what a dry and barren place that is. We who have believed INTO HIM are not only in the river, but like my earliest attempts to swim, the RIVER is in US!
Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water…. whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty forever. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” (John 4:10-14 ESV)
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Susanne, I have had some further thoughts to share about what it means to be IN CHRIST and how He fills all things that He has created…
https://awildernessvoice.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/of-him-by-him-and-in-him-do-all-things-consist-do-we-believe-it/
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“Some further thoughts” aka as a new article on AWV. XD
Excellent entry on your own blog, Michael, that gives depth and Scriptural support to my thoughts on here! ⭐
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You’re welcome, Michael. Thanks for your confirming comments, my brother. I was glad to see that my article gave you so much to think about that you even wrote a new blog post of your own on that very issue. 🙂
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Well, my dear sister Susanne, once again you have stirred me to consider the wonders of our God and how much He loves us. I have been so blessed by His heart which dwells in you and comes out in the things He inspires you to share.
Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles…”.
(Acts 15:12 KJV)
Michael
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What you just said above was very, very touching for me to read, Michael. Thank you sooo much, my dear brother! ❤
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I agree with you, Markus, that God has to act from His side. We cannot even stay focussed on Him on our own. This one like any other attempt of our old self has to fail as you so aptly said above.
It is true that dying to self is not our business, either, since whatever we could “add” to His work IN us will eventually leave us utterly devastated when we realize that everything our old self could bring forth for God merely had contra-productive effects. Our old nature does not want to submit to the Law of Christ which is love; it cannot obey God and it does not want to obey God, either. Finally, we will desperately cry out to God to save us from our fruitless efforts to save ourselves, to try to be something or someone, and to be right or better than anyone else.
I like the picture of “hunting the bucket at the end of the rainbow that yields no water” since that perfectly describes our old nature’s fatal inclination to deceive itself with false hopes.
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The way you processed my reply to you was truly amazing, Markus. Very good, thank you! 🙂
Every divine blessing,
Susanne
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Yes and amen, Ken. Thanks for your encouraging words. I hope I won’t reveal a secret on here when I tell you that Markus is German too.
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What you said is true, Markus. Neither nationality nor flesh and blood relationships count, only those who do the Father’s will constitute our spiritual family as Jesus said (Mt 12:50).
Nonetheless, what still amazes me as a native German and non-native speaker of the English language, is that more than 80% of my readers on here are Americans. Hits from Germany are a rare thing, indeed. I do not really get it, to be honest! Might be, it has to do with the language, though, since I do not write in German here. 😉
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Dear Frances,
Ha! Even more hits from Germany today… Thank you very much for commenting too. 🙂
I am glad to hear you have been blessed by the conversation on here. I, in turn, have been blessed by what you wrote in your own response. You said,
That describes exactly my experiences with Him! Excellent, my sweet sister!!! ⭐
Much love ❤
Susanne
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Susanne and Frances, Paul wrote, “I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.” (Romans 12:1 RSVA)
I had a pastor that used to say, “The problem with us being a ‘living sacrifice’ is that we can always opt to crawl down off the altar.” This might be true, but God never changes His mind.. He patiently waits for us to clime back on it again and let His purifying fires finish the job.
I love this exchange we have had on here together. God is sooo good! Oh, what fellowship we have in the love of His Son! ❤
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Another great contribution to the American-English-German conversation on here, dear Michael! XD
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Yes, German, American AND a bit of English in there too! What is this world coming to? I think it is called “The Kingdom of Heaven.”
“For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:27-28 RSVA)
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Amen! 🙂
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Markus, As I read your comment about the purpose of the wilderness, believe me, I could relate. We are sent out into that desert to die to all our doings, to reach the end of ourselves. Oh, how we fight against it. We do all we can to dig cisterns, broken cisterns that can hold no water and all we have to do is turn to the Rock who follows us in our wanderings and speak to Him, the Fountain of Living Water, and He will gush forth so that our bellies can not contain it.
Thanks for sharing your insights on here, my brother.
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Your post and Michael’s on this topic made me think, in a fresh way, how painful our sin must be to God. I realize I am speaking in limited, human terms for lack of a better vocabulary. But bear with me for a moment.
Not only do we hurt God’s feelings, when we choose to turn away from Him. After all, we’re angry and hurt when we think He’s turned His back on us. There’s more, however, in God’s case.
God is by His very nature holy. Yet, we effectively foist evil upon Him. In a sense, existing only in and through God, we thrust sin into His Being. How apt then that Christ would have allowed Himself to be crucified. He was pierced for our sins, having already been “pierced” by them.
It’s a fanciful thought. The reality, nonetheless, is that God allows us the choice while still holding our molecules together. And all for love.
Thank you for sharing your faith and insights!
With love,
Anna ❤
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts on God’s holiness, dear Anna. You are right. If Christ did not stand between us and the Father as the propitiation for our sins and imperfections and as our constant Mediator we would be totally separated from God forever. BUT ALL things are ours IN Christ, not only our forgiveness and justification, but His holiness is ours as well. What thrills me is not my ability to sin (God forbid), but God’s ability to take me beyond being stuck in my sinful nature, clean me up, give a new heart and even invite me to boldly enter into His presence with Christ as one of His own sons in total unity with them. For years I was stuck in Romans seven with all its personal pronouns whipping myself for being a sinner, but then one day He showed brought me to the place of seeing just how great my salvation is IN Christ and I got my eyes off my old miserable self and put them on Him and His love for me instead. What difference this makes! “Thou will keep in perfect peace who’s mind is stayed on thee.”
Jesus is the hope of our salvation, redemption, justification, purification, holiness and make room for our adoption as the children of God. I thank God that He didn’t leave any of this process up to us to get it right or NONE of us would make it. I think that seeing this and believing ALL things are ours in Christ is what God calls “faith.”
God bless and keep you in His loving arms, my sister! You are in my prayers.
Love to you too, ❤
Michael
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Thank you very much, Michael, your reply to Anna was excellent. Could not be said better! ⭐
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You are welcome, Susanne. God seems to speak through us as He wills as long as we remain weak and He is strong. 🐻
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Yes, He does, Michael. And if He can’t find anyone who lets God speak through him, He speaks through anyone (donkeys, Jewish high priests, or even stones 😉 ).
Susanne 🐱
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Dear Anna,
I think I know what you mean by the feeling of being pierced by sin since I have felt that quite often when my spirit – rather, the Holy Spirit in me – was grieved, whether my own sin or those of others were concerned. God does not love sin, that is for sure, but He loves the sinner as someone once said (paraphrasing a quote that is attributed to Mahatma Gandhi and others who was/were alleged to have said that God even hates sin). The Bible gives us hope here since we read,
In this is love: it was not that we loved God, but he has loved us, and he sent us his Son, the atonement for the sake of our sins. (1 Jn 4:10 Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
Reading this verse in its context makes it clear that God’s focus was on SIN as His Son died on the cross. “It is finished!” were Jesus last words. He overcame our sin in dying for us bodily. After the atonement, God’s focus shifted. What do I mean by that? Here is the context of the Scripture above.
In this the love of God is known to us: for God sent his only Son to the world so that it shall live by him. In this is love: it was not that we loved God, but he has loved us, and he sent us his Son, the atonement for the sake of our sins. Beloved, if God loves us in this way, we are indebted also to love one another. No person has ever seen God, but if we love one another, God abides in us, and his love is fulfilled in us. In this we know that we abide in him and he abides in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we see and do testify that The Father hath sent his Son, The Savior for the world. (1 Jn 4:9-14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
God’s focus is love as you so rightly said above, Anna. He did not sent His Son into this world to condemn us for our sins, but to give us life, real life, even eternal life… Now only as a foretaste, later as a completely freed state on a permanent basis that includes our still frail body. God who always existed loved us even before any of us could have sinned. He knew that He would send His Son in order to remove the separation we initially all have when we come into being. He has always loved us, and then He gives us His love through His Son’s Spirit so that we can love one another and the whole world too, even like Jesus. Almost unbelievable, isn’t it? But for God all things are possible.
Furthermore, due to the fact that the apostle Peter told us to do the following,
And before everything, have a severe love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins. And love strangers without murmuring, (1 Pt 4:8-9 Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
we might as well assume that God sooo much more is able to cover our sins, esp. when we stumble and fall for the umpteenth time since He knows that He is the Only One who can change us.
Much love to you, dear Anna! ❤
Susanne
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Well said, Susanne. It is all about Christ and His perfect work of atonement, not our ability to be righteous. We rest in Him and cease from our own labors, We abide IN Him and He brings forth HIS fruit as HE wills. That is Faith.
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Yes and amen, Michael. Abiding in Him and His rest is key to everything good that might be brought forth by us – through His Spirit in us.
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Were you aware that the word, enthusiasm, comes from the words, en, and Theos meaning in God?
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No, Tony, I was not. Thanks for sharing this helpful contribution. 🙂
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You’re welcome Susan
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Susanne! That explains everything!!! WooooHoooo!
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You are funny, Michael. XD
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Susanne, thank you for the post. There is much to consider. I also read the 2 poems. I became more hungry to be totally filled with His living water as I read the post and the poems.
Much love to you my dear sister,
Pat Orr
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You are so sweet, dear Pat! ❤
I really loved reading your very encouraging reply! Did me a power of good today. Thanks so much, my sister! And I was happy to hear you got hungry, spiritually speaking… 😉
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